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I received some great questions during this Facebook Live, and I wanted to share them with you. We cover everything from floaters and flashing lights to balancing vitamins and ensuring their absorption. Enjoy the show. If you want more, sign up for my newsletter at: www.drsamberne.com.

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Hey, everybody. Good evening. It’s Dr. Sam. And I’d like to welcome you to another Facebook Live. So if you want to ask your questions now you can type them in. Excuse me. So it’s great to be here. I hope everybody is having a really good summer. And I hope you’re getting to travel a little bit, things, getting back to normal, seeing some family, friends, and so on. So tonight, I want to take a few questions. I’ve got several of them here from different social media sites. So if you have a question, please type it in and I’ll do my best to answer. So the first question I received was a follower on Instagram, regarding flashes and floaters. And so I want to go into some of the causes of flashing lights and segue into floaters.

It seems to be the most common question that I get that people seem really, really well, how can I say frustrated when they start getting floaters. But you know, in terms of flashing lights, this is a very, very interesting phenomenon. And it can be serious, but also it can be pretty benign. So there are five reasons why somebody might get eye flashes. Number one, it has to do with that dreaded condition called posterior vitreous detachment. And so I’m going to give you a little anatomy lesson here we have the eye, and we have the back part of the eye, the two thirds posterior part of the eye in the back is called the vitreous gel, the gel sac. And this particular gel SAC is made up of protein and water, we could say collagen, and as we age that vitreous sac can either enlarge itself or it can shrink. Now the reasons why we get a change in our integrity of our vitreous gel sack has to do very simply with the fact that we are either suffering a lack of oxygenation in the eyes, or hydration.

You know, the if we talk about it in terms of mitochondria, you know, mitochondria are the energy cells that appear in the body, but there’s a very high concentration of mitochondria in the retina in the eye itself. And so, if the mitochondria are not getting the proper nutrients, this begins to lower their production of ATP, and ATP is important for getting rid of metabolic waste. So, what happens in our vitreous gel, as it begins to change its size, it starts to pull away from the retina. So it starts tugging on the retina and the retina is a sea of micro capillaries and photoreceptors. So the thing about it is that when our vitreous changes, and it starts pulling away from the retina, this is one of the reasons why we develop flashing lights. Now in addition to the flashing lights, we can also get floaters which are part of the vitreous and either the collagen breaks off and flakes off. And this creates those specs and flex and, you know, spider like substances that we see. And of course when light hits those and creates a shadow on the retina, it drives people you know up the wall because our eye doctors are just saying, you know, floaters it’s a benign condition. There’s not much you can do about it. And there are a few eye doctors out there that use a laser to try to get rid of floaters. I don’t recommend that procedure.

Because I’ve seen too many problems with that surgery. But in any event, number one reason why we get flashes of light is posterior vitriol, detachment number two, the reason We might get flashes has to do with migraines and migraines can be ocular migraines. There can be other types of migraines but there is moderate to severe headaches. And when we get these headaches, it can be accompanied with something called Visual auras. And sometimes we get that experience of flashing lights. We’re also very light sensitive. If we are prone to migraines. There are a variety of reasons why we develop migraines, everything from endocrine issues to dehydration, to head trauma. So, you know, there’s a lot of reasons why we develop them. Some of the ocular migraines occur because our two eyes are not working together, and our right eye and left eye are doing different things at the same time. And this creates a strobe effect as we process information to our brain. So this can also trigger migraines. So that’s number two. Number three, the reason why we develop flashing lights is because we actually do have a retinal tear, or detachment and this can also be accompanied by floaters. So it’s very important here that you go to your eye doctor and do a full dilated retinal exam. Make sure your retinas intact if you do have flashing lights.

Number four another reason why we get we get flashing lights is due to diabetic retinopathy. So diabetes wreaks havoc on our micro capillaries in the eye. And if we are out of control with our blood sugar levels, this creates hemorrhaging bleeding in the retinal cells. And so we can get cloudiness, blurriness, floaters and flashes. So to be able to make sure your blood sugar levels are normal, or if you are a diabetic to get that under control. And then finally, number five, another reason why we develop flashing lights is we’re suffering a condition called macular degeneration. And this could be both the wet or the dry kind. It just depends on how severe the macular degeneration is. But this can lead to flashing lights. So it’s very important that number one, we rule out retinal detachment because the thing is, is that with a retinal detachment, at that point, you definitely need some kind of surgery. And so that’s that’s the deal there.

Now, the person was asking, What can he do? If he doesn’t have a retinal detachment? What are some things you can do to reduce floaters to reduce the flashes. So I want to go through a list of things and see if you know you check the boxes. Number one, I think it’s important enough to realize that your vitreous because it’s made of collagen, there’s a breakdown somewhere in your amino acids. And usually if there’s a problem in the eye, there’s a problem systemically and metabolically. So adding things like MSM powder, highlight erotic acid, bone broth, you know, increasing your trace minerals, especially chromium, zinc, selenium, and magnesium. Those are really, really important. I like to add things like sources of glutathione. And anything that I can do to produce more nitric oxide. This is an ingredient that acts as a visa dilator and it also helps improve our circulation and oxidative oxygenation. I would add probably as to Xanten, lutein and zeaxanthin. Those are the three carotenoids that are very important for all of eye health. Make sure that you’re getting enough vitamin A and zinc is one of the things that helps you in absorbing vitamin A. So that’s very important because a is a fat soluble vitamin.

So you want to make sure your liver and gallbladder are working well. If you’re not producing enough bile, the liver was what produces the bile. This affects your ability to absorb fat soluble vitamins like lutein, zeaxanthin and vitamin A, that’s missed quite a bit. Obviously my MSM products are really good MSM eyedrops, whether the five or the 15% or Both. MSM is a sulfur molecule. It’s the third leading trace mineral found in the body. It’s my number one go to when somebody is dealing with congestion in the vitreous. Again, there are many reasons why we lose integrity in the vitreous, but MSM definitely can help. Usually because there’s a hydration problem, I would consider a castor oil, organic castor oil I massage in the evening, on your eyelids, this is very moisturizing. And you can also do some herbal compresses. As well things like Kameel, rose petals, go to Cola, just to name a few. If you can get eyebright even better, you brew it up, let it cool, and put it into a mason jar. And then you can, you know, dip out of cloth and then place it as a compress over your eyes. blue blockers are very important. So if you’re on a screen all day, that’s going to dry your eyes out incredibly, it’s like being in a tanning salon,

except at a tanning salon, you know when you’re done. But when you’re on your screen, you’re on it, you know, morning, afternoon and evening, this can definitely cause a drying out, you want to increase your fats and oils. That’s very important. Specially the Omega three especially the DHA, you know, the retinas made of about 50% fatty acids, the brain needs fatty acids, the nervous system. So those would be some things that I would as a broad brush, getting your antioxidants into your body healing your gut. That’s another one, you know, there is a correlation between gut inflammation and eye inflammation. And inflammation is another culprit that gets in the way of the mitochondria working properly, which leads to a breakdown in the tissue, whether it’s the cornea, the lens, the vitreous, or the retina. So inflammation is really, really a big deal. And, you know, staring at your screen, being an artificial light, all of those things, you know, increase your inflammation. Now, last, there’s some things other things that I would suggest. And that would be possibly getting some acupuncture, getting some cranial sacral therapy, anything to improve the electrical aspects of the body. You know, when we get exposed overexposed to things like EMFs, this can create an electrical kind of absorption in the eyes. And this can also be one of the reasons why we might be getting flashing lights. I know that sounds kind of crazy. But you know, our eye is made up of mostly fluid and liquid. And when we’re absorbing or around a lot of Wi Fi, we’re absorbing, you know, electronics all day.

We’re absorbing it and we’re absorbing that electricity. So that can also be another reason why we get the flashing lights. And last I’ll say is dentistry. So if you’ve had a lot of mercury amalgams or root canals or funky things with your teeth, then you know, I would seek out a biological dentist, get your Mercury taken out, do some chelation, get rid of the root canal influences. You know, one of the things I love using on the teeth is ozone. So ozone is one of the things if there’s actually an ozone cream that you can get from your dentist, and you can massage it on your gums if you have, you know, inflammation in the gums, that’s going to affect your eyes. So there’s a lot of reasons why we have to be kind of a detective in figuring out what are the causes? Because it’s different for everybody you know, we’re not all the same. That’s why you know, cookbook approach doesn’t work for me because I work with each person individually. All right, I’m gonna run down the list. I want to thank everybody for joining us tonight. I know it’s you know, you have a lot of choices and to come on Facebook. I appreciate your participation. Thank you for all these people are Karen is writing in Good evening, Dr. Sam, thank you for all you do. Happy to happy to oblige.

If I’m taking as to Xanth and lutein and zeaxanthin Do I still have to take vitamin A I don’t want to become toxic. Well, vitamin A Yes, we do need to do that. We could do it in the form of beta carotene. But we definitely need about 5000 I use a day of vitamin A. So you would not be creating a toxic situation as to Xanthine you want to do six to 12 milligrams A de lutein about 16 milligrams a day, and Xanthan about six milligrams a day. Now you can also get lutein and zeaxanthin through your vegetables, even vitamin A, you can get through your vegetables as the Xanthine is a marine carotenoid. So you would need to get that either through wild caught salmon. Or you can also get it through a supplement that I have, which is a micro algae. But you know, as long as you stay around that 5000, I use a day of vitamin A. The key thing is that zinc helps you in the absorption of vitamin A is very important for the skin, the cornea, the eyelids, and many other things. So we need vitamin A, it’s just if we’re taking way too much of it, then of course, we have to back it off. I say eating a rainbow diet of vegetables and then taking a small supplementation of vitamin A would be the way to go. And lutein and zeaxanthin are the fat soluble ones related to vitamin A. So as long as you stay in that zone, I think you’re good.

The key thing, however, is if you’re absorbing it, and that’s where you have to do, you know an eye an investigation on your liver health and your gallbladder health. And if you’ve had any kind of susceptibility in your liver or gallbladder, then you may not be producing enough bile. So you would want to supplement with bile salts and you would do that after a meal. And if you do that, then you’re going to absorb, you know the fat soluble vitamins better and your eyes are going to be really, really happy. Okay, so Cathy’s asking about vitreous detachment. And I went through a list of many, many things. You know, another thing that I think about with a posterior vitreous detachment is history of trauma. And many years ago, when I first got into practice, I started off my practice in the Philadelphia area. And many of you have heard this story, but I had difficulty getting patients because I was in a very conventional part of Philadelphia was on the main line.

And so there was a lot of ophthalmologists surrounding my office. And so I went to one of the local hospitals, to the outpatient clinic, and I met with the physiatrist. And then I started working with people who had closed head trauma, car accidents, Whiplash is sports injuries, falls, all ages. And my vision rehabilitation exercises were so effective, and helping these people get back to their life. But one of the things I did observe is that when we do have some soft tissue trauma, that unless we do some kind of body centered somatic therapies, after the trauma, the trauma tends to get stored and absorbed into the eyes. And so what happens is it creates a dead zone of circulation. That’s what trauma does, because we go into a protective mode to avoid more trauma, but what we’re doing is we’re creating a dead zone in the tissue. So for anybody out there who’s had any kind of trauma, trauma in the head area and neck area, fallen, those kinds of things. I would suggest, you know, finding a somatic therapist, somebody who does some kind of healing work in the area of helping you release the trauma, and it’s not even that you have to focus on it, but just going and improving the circulation. You know, I just did a post on a stigmatism and cranial sacral therapy.

So there’s a lot of bones around the eyes. And in the face, there’s also cranial nerves that go right up into the eye muscles. And when we have a restricted movement in this particular area, it begins to shut down the circulation and we can’t get the nutrient absorption. So somebody who does really good osteopathic cranial sacral biodynamic cranial sacral some of these doing cranial work, who can feel where the restrictions are, and maybe it’s even in your sacrum or spine because the you know, the dura which which kind of winds its way around the spine all the way up into the head and into the the optic nerve. You know, those connective tissues, they tend to reduce there resiliency and this can lead to a starvation in the eye tissue when you fast forward 510 15 20 years later, you get these very weird eye conditions like retinal detachment, vitreous detachment, cataracts, glaucoma, dry eye, there is a thread where trauma can have an influence on all these different conditions. So another thing in healing the vitreous detachment is getting some good cranial work, that could be very helpful. Alright, let’s go to Sangeetha. Hi, welcome. What are the causes of sensitivity to sunlight other than cataracts and how to resolve it? Well, the retina is made up of photoreceptors. And when we are sensitive to light, there’s an imbalance in the function of the photoreceptors. Now sometimes what happens with the photoreceptors, this is due to stress, nutritional deficiencies, trauma,

that the photoreceptors tend to become desensitized to the light. So what this means is there’s an imbalance in our ability to receive the light into our eyes. And so this causes glare light sensitivity. And it’s an overworking of our nervous system. So our sympathetic nervous system, which is part of our active state, is overworking and our parasympathetic nervous system is non existent our resting state. So we’re in this hyper vigilant state of consciousness with our vision. And then we go and we sit on our screen all day, which is a flicker and the blue light. So all of these things begin to create an imbalance in our photoreceptors. And so this leads to light sensitivity. So here are three things that you can do as a starting point number one, it’s important that you hydrate your eyes throughout the day using natural eyedrops. So here are some choices. You can do Oasis, artificial tears. You can do homeopathic eyedrops like Optique, or some Eliassen. And you can do my 5% MSM eyedrops, if you’re on a screen, you should be using those eyedrops throughout the day.

Number two, I would increase your fats and oils at least 2000 milligrams a day of omega three fatty acids are really good quality Omega three, not cod liver oil, a good full Omega three and also getting good fats and oils into your body whether it’s, you know, nuts and seeds, chia seeds, avocados, if you’re you know protein person getting some free range eggs, whatever, but you need to increase your fats and oils, eating a rainbow diet, anti inflammatory, good, good fats and oils. That’s number two. And number three, my suggestion would be to think about some other nutrients that improve the vascular health. Bill Berry is number one, this is an herb that helps improve the eye circulation number two and natto vitamin E. This is a new form of vitamin D that actually helps improve the retina circulation. And number three, saffron saffron is a spice and the research is off the charts and how it is neuro protective and how it helps your retinal circulation. The good news is I predict supplements with these into you can get the bilberry and my natural high vitamin and annatto, vitamin E and also saffron, you can get those as well. I would add curcumin as another one very good for retinal circulation. So those would be some things that I would start with. If we want to add an extra credit one, I would start with my eye exercises.

The ones I would do would be the animal eye chart. It’s an eye stretching chart, eye stretching exercise. And the second one I would do would be the end POM hum. These are on my website, you can just Google and POM hum Dr burn or animal ihr Dr. Burn. If you Google those, it’ll take you right to the link. You can read you can look at the videos. Do some eye exercises every day to improve your eyes circulation oxygenation, it is a process of reducing your light sensitivity. But these are some of the things I would start with. And then finally number five, I would probably wear some kind of a blue blocking filter for your screen time, just so you’re not getting overloaded with the blue light as you’re on your screens. Alright, let’s go to Jill Good evening what can be done about severe dry eye syndrome? My friend has to even wear eye patches at night. Well, number one, Jill, I would start with a castor oil eyelid massage. Just a few drops of the casserole, make sure you wash your hands, you’re massaging the castor oil on the islands. I would also add some kind of an herbal tea compress. Again, I

spoke about camera meal, or go to Cola, golden seal eyebright rose petals, there’s a variety of them whatever, there’s a resonant, you brew up the tea, let it cool, strain it and put it into a mason jar in the refrigerator it asks, lasts about four days. And you can use that as a compress cool compress over the ice. So you’re you’re treating the eyelids this is really the source of severe dry eye, the castor oil can help in the moisturization. And the compresses can also help in reducing some of the inflammation in the eyelids. During the day, I would use again some natural eyedrops, maybe homeopathic eyedrops, but you need to do them regularly, if you wanted to do the 5% MSM drops, those are great my MSM mist, which is 15%. That’s a great one to spray on the eyelids. Some other things you could do would be essential oil. So you could do a Helichrysum hydrosol.

That’s a mist, and that particular essential oil is phenomenal for skin health. So you could do that throughout the day, a rose hydrosol or Neroli hydrosol. So you’re spraying your eyes, you’re missing them throughout the day as well. So you’re keeping your eyes much more hydrated. I also think it’s important to have, you know, an optimal Omega three, the fatty acids, the the, the fats and oils are really important to help reduce dry, I would also check out the thyroid health. So if there’s an imbalance in the thyroid health, this can lead to dry eye, adrenal imbalance can lead to dry eye hormonal imbalances. Again, I don’t know if your friend could be estrogen level. So if there’s a high estrogen or a low estrogen level, this can trigger dry eye, blue blockers for all screen time, get 30 minutes in natural sunlight every day, especially, you know, early in the day or late in the day, do some lymph drainage massage. So getting some lymph work done, maybe some acupuncture because I’m sure stresses involved. Remember the liver rules the eyes and Chinese medicine. So if you go to an acupuncturist, they can read the pulses, your liver, your kidney, your spleen, your gallbladder, your large intestine, small intestine, colon. So the things that the acupuncturist can do with the needles to distribute the energy in a more balanced way, including in the eyes, you know, when there’s dry eye, there’s a congestion as Qi, stagnation and energy stagnation around the eyes. So those would be some of the things I would start with the whole key is eyelids, and getting rid of the inflammation there.

Alright, so another question is, what kind of glasses do you suggest, instead of progressive lenses, I would suggest that you have one single vision lens you use for the computer. So that you’re in single vision there, that’s for your laptop or desktop, make sure you get a blue blocker in that, you could probably go to the drugstore and just get a pair of readers and make sure the frames are big enough. So you’re not you know, using a small frame. And then if you do need something for distance, then you know, get a pair of distance glasses that you would use. You know, for driving again, when you use progressive lenses, your driving is going to be limited because you’re only using like the top third of the lens. So it’s a lifestyle change. You can certainly keep the progressive lenses and use them when you’re about out and about if you’re you know, going into a store and you need to have intermediate and reading distance. I’m not completely against progressives. But I think in high intensity situations with your vision, the bigger the window you look through, the more relaxed your eyes are. And I can’t tell you the number of people who come and see me that have pretty significant eye problems. And they’ve been in progressive lenses for five or 10 or 15 years. And so the thing is, is that you want to give your eyes more vision by by using a set no vision lens.

Alright, somebody is asking about do injections work for coat Dizzy coats disease. So here’s the thing with any kind of pharmaceutical drugs with pharmaceutical drug drugs do is they treat a symptom. And if you’re in emergency state where you know, you’re you’ve got deteriorating vision, you’re dealing with either edema or bleeding or you know, some serious situation, then using the injections can be helpful in that moment to slow down the degradation. It’s kind of like you’re in the emergency room right there. And so in order to stop the bleeding, you have to go to the emergency medical doctor and go through their program, because they’re going to save your life, they’re going to save your vision in that moment.

Is it treating the cause? Well, no, it’s not. And so the thing is, at that point, you have to start developing a plan, where you’re looking at your overall lifestyle, your stress level, your sleep, your, you know, your relationships, your diet, your emotional health, you know, your purpose in life, you know, all of these things. And I always say that, you know, getting a diagnosis is like a wake up call. And that’s actually a really good thing that you get a wake up call, we get wake up calls all the time, we just don’t answer the bell, we just keep our head like an ostrich in the ground. And we’re not willing to say, Okay, what do I need to change? Or what do I need to do to, you know, to adapt to be flexible to be in flow. And so the diagnosis is a gift, if you see it that way, and then you can start attracting people into your life, I’m talking health professionals develop a health team, of people who can see the whole picture, see you as the whole picture, and work in an integrated way instead of a fragmented way. You know, the problem with specialists is that they’re specializing, and they’re promoting the very thing they’re specializing in. And that’s it, they’re not able to see the big picture, they’re not able to see the whole, and we are whole, we are unified, we are connected, we are network, with ourselves and each other. And there’s a field out there, that when we connect to it, we can create some really deep, positive changes.

But the key is understanding that we’ve got to find people who can help us remind us to see the whole picture. And I’m talking about, you know, with ourselves, and whenever there’s a health crisis, that’s actually a good thing, because it’s the opportunity to cross over and maybe change some things like, Oh, I’ve got to eliminate sugar or, you know, I’m eating too much processed foods or, you know, I’m not drinking enough water, maybe I need to get, you know, more higher quality, filtered water, you know, something like hydrogen water, that’s a little you know, that’s a little advanced, or maybe I need to go learn how to do coffee enemas, or I need to, you know, do about learn about intermittent fasting, or things like that. So there’s, there’s so many things out there now on social media. I see it every day naturopathic doctors, functional medicine, doctors,

massage therapists, you know, all kinds of healers. So you find people that you resonate with, and then you stop this, this thing of going for the symptom approach to fix it approach. I mean, if you want the fix it approach, then you know, that’s what allopathic medicine is really good at. The problem with that is that it perpetuates a deeper kind of imbalance that keeps on going. And then at that point, you get into this rabbit hole where it’s very difficult to get out. And so that’s why you need a coach you need a counsel, you need a group of people that can help you see the hole and integrate and not use Dr. Google to help you diagnose it yourself and try you know, Colloidal Silver here and you know, Nm and powder here and, you know, special glutathione Myers cocktail here All of those things on their own may be really good. But is that what you need. And so maybe you need to get a biochemistry test, you need to get a blood panel, you need to get a hair analysis, a urine test, a stool test something where you can get the terrain on what’s going on with your internal climate.

And then once you figure that out, and you work with somebody, then you’re on a plan, where you can move forward. And what’s so interesting in the eye care field, is it’s very highly specialized. And so as a specialist, when you come in, and I’ve seen this, the doctor is looking at you, as a cornea or as a retina or as an optic nerve. And he’s not seeing the relationship of how the liver meridian might be affecting your vitreous health, or your kidney, lung meridian, maybe is affecting your eye pressure, just just as two dots that you’re connecting, or two T’s that you’re crossing, or two dots, you know, eyes that you’re dotting. So I think that in and this goes for everybody this is my rant, is that, I would really look for an integrated, integrative holistic practitioner, who can help you see the whole and treat you as a whole person. And if you do that, you will improve incredibly quickly. And then you get away from these things like, you know, laser surgery, or injections or corticosteroids and antibiotic eyedrops, and you know, all the things that we learn, you know, we learn, and it’s in our toolbox, I just had the good fortune, when I was very young, that I met a lot of holistic practitioners in a lot of different fields. And I was open to them, I was open to learning, I was open to being curious. And, you know, that’s served me very well. Well, there’s a lot of practitioners out there like that, it’s not just me.

And again, I’m holding the space of the eyes and vision. But as you can tell, our eyes and vision are so interrelated and interconnected, to our systemic and metabolic and energetic health. And this affects us emotionally, psychologically, spiritually. And, you know, by looking at all of those things, we can then, you know, regain our birthright, which is our neuroplasticity. And, you know, you have to look at places in the people who are promoting that. Because if you stay in the same allopathic spiral, there’s a lot of fear, there’s a lot of negativity, you know, you go to the doctors, and you go, I’m not going back to them, you know, what I asked them if there’s any help, they say, No, is only you know, we just watch it, and then we cut it out. And that may not be your way, you know, for a lot of people it is, and you know, my philosophy is not for everybody. And I will recommend people go to more of the standard level of care, because that matches them better. But I think the people that are in my community, and they’re curious, right on,

then we just, we just move forward, and we’re one organism and we’re learning together and so on. So, anyway, I think that the hours getting late. Oh, here’s another question. Can shoulder and neck pain for months be called a trauma and affect the eyes? It’s possible, you know, you have to look at your history. Have you had any falls? Have you been in a car accidents? Have you suffered emotional trauma or abuse or anything like that, you know, but when you have chronic pain, there’s something going on around a lack of circulation, a lack of nutrient absorption, and pain is another gift. It’s a signal to say, okay, what are some things I need to do to create more harmony and myself, and, you know, I have many, many patients in their 70s and 80s, who are pain free, go figure, their pain free, they’re still hiking, they’re driving, they’re traveling.

So you know, if you’ve got pain, be curious about it. Seek out a professional or practitioner to help you understand it and learn about it. And you can release it, you can change it and you know, it’s how we associate relate to our pain that keeps us in that lockdown. position. And so you know if we kind of use our pain as a teacher to say, okay, what can I do to improve my my harmony, my balance in myself, then you know you’ve got to mate. Alright ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank everybody for taking the time tonight. Thanks for being in. I will be back next week and I so appreciate being able to hang out with you. And so until next time, have a great evening.

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